Today,
points are shared responding to a question on explaining and
apologizing for things written in the Bible. While the holy writings
provide information that is important for shared communication and
exchange among Christian believers, intimate relationship with divinity
as children of GOD, disciples of Jesus Christ, or trusted servants only
begins and continues through faith. We are not saved by
expressions from our mind or self-will, even such deliberate “works” as
believing, dialog, memorizing verses, and study. Faith is an aspect of
the full divine makeup, and is inseparable from other spirit substance
such as awe, holiness, longsuffering, love, peace, wisdom, and wrath
against sin. Just as the Spirit imparted from GOD to a believer is
intended for their growth, maturity, and sanctification, rather than to
equip them for perpetual battle and conflict, the Bible has been
provided as an unchanging source for guidance and instruction, and is
not provided for repeated argument, debate, and quarrels generated by
education, or logic and reason. Consider the following from the
Scriptures, and the further responses below: 1st John 5: 5-7, King
James Version (KJV): 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that
believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is he that came by
water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by
water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the
Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the
Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Also,
Galatians 3: 22-27, KJV: 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under
sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them
that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law,
shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ,
that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come,
we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children
of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been
baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Acts 20: 32. KJV: 32 And
now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which
is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them
which are sanctified. 2nd Timothy 3: 16-17, KJV: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works. The fighter at “Yahoo! Answers” using
the ID “Henry” (Level 2 with 254 points, a member since November 26,
2015) posted the following:
Not sure if I’m interpreting the bible, or just making excuses for it?
My parents raised
me to be an apologist and I can name dozens of dark verses. These
verses include God stoning someone for picking up sticks on a Sunday,
Lot sending his virgin daughters to be gang raped, and Jeptha
sacrificing his daughter because he promised to. However, my parents
always told me to come up with some kind of explanation for it. Is this
morally possible?
THE GOLDEN ARROW: And you hath he quickened,
who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked
according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the
power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of
disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past
in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of
the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But
God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,
(by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2: 1-9, KJV)
THE
DOUBLE DAGGER: A GOD of Judgment (12/01/2015); To Study the Book of
Judges (09/09/2015); Justified for Attacking The Bible? (06/28/2015);
The Words Are Spirit? (06/03/2015); The Scriptures and Perfection?
(10/27/2014); All Who Read Convert? (10/10/2014); Not Told in Advance?
(10/11/2014); The Point of Experiences in the Spirit? (07/07/2014)
“Henry”, the holy
writings provide a divine point of view for examining life experience
among created beings and living creatures, and displays divinity using
thousands of lives and thousands of events over the course of thousands
of years. While the sacred record includes some accounts that have been
used as secular history, through Jesus Christ the Scriptures are
recognized as revealing divine operations, sacred practices, and eternal
purposes. Most Christian believers begin their new life in Christ
having little correct sacred knowledge regarding prophecy, rebirth, sanctification, and spirit (we also say, breath, life essence,
word). Their focus is often their own immediate condition and
continuing experience as carnal, finite, material, and social.
Believers are to embrace permanent changes on multiple levels that are
to be in agreement with unseen aspects of the universe. The believer
must put aside the finite tools of intellect, logic, philosophy,
science, and technology. They must take up tools for recognizing and
applying the authority and power of their own endowment of spirit from
GOD. Thus, through the operations of divinity, water baptism
establishes the death and burial of ones inborn spirit. Trusting GOD,
the believer is born again from divine DNA, so to speak, and must “grow
up again.” The believer is to be a vessel for inseparable spirit matter
from the makeup of Deity. Included are awe (some say, fear of
the Lord, reverence), faith, holiness, joy, longsuffering, wisdom, and
wrath against sin. The mature disciples of Jesus Christ are
forward-looking for they operate focused upon praises, proclamations,
promises, purpose, testimonies, and visions that express sacred law, and
divine will. Those born again will encounter “growing pains,” and must
mature upon the earth becoming perfected for eternal life in terms of balance, completeness, and stability. Consider again the following verses from the Bible:
(1.) John 3:
6-8, King James Version (KJV): 6 That which is born of the flesh is
flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not
that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where
it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell
whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of
the Spirit.
(2.) John 5:
24-29, KJV: 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word,
and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not
come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily,
verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead
shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son
to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute
judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this:
for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall
hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto
the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the
resurrection of damnation.
(3.) 2nd Peter
1: 19-21, KJV: 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto
ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark
place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private
interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of
man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
There are many
other verses here that should be carefully considered, correctly
understood, and brought to bear against error. (For example, (4.) John
1: 10-14, KJV: 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him,
and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own
received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power
to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his
name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and
dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only
begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.) Even so, I trust
this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
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Thursday, December 31, 2015
Tuesday, May 13, 2014
(05/13/2014) Why the Gospel for Our Children
The Gospel, incarnation, relationships with divinity, and salvation are topics, today. Also, there is more on believers, evil, and GOD. A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “WhiteSnyder” (Level 3 with 1,034 points, a member since February 21, 2014) posted the following:
Why are you Teaching Your Children To Be Like Jesus When HE WAS CRUCIFIED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE?
CHRISTIANS!!!
THE BATTLE AXE: GOD Permits Evil? (05/12/2014)—(5.) Many count it “normal” to demand the love of GOD without also having any intention of praising, serving and thanking GOD. In their multiple errors, they also demand justice, yet, themselves make no commitment to uphold law, maintain equity and fairness, or pursue openness and truth. Some believe that instead of affection, hugs and kisses, the most important gifts from GOD that show divine love have been freedom to encourage, indulge and introduce evil (i.e., arbitrary, destructive, and unnecessary change within divine order), and the freedom of choice whereby created beings and living creatures may deny the Almighty, and even withhold worship to GOD. Lacking faith, holiness, and other spirit matter from the makeup of GOD, there are countless men, women, and children, who have their own thoughts and feelings as the standard for what is real, and account only their own desires and opinions as being answers, guidance, and the genuine word of GOD that they have received. The Scriptures declare that GOD has said, Come let us reason together. However, this does not mean GOD welcomes argument, confusion, contradiction, dispute, and quarrel. Men may approach GOD exposing and expressing their thoughts in prayer, and acknowledging and responding to the word, and work of GOD that endures within their awareness. Allowances are made for the many differences and gulfs between divinity, and the diverse created beings and living creatures that exist within our universe. Divine judgment is the process wherein resolution and settlement of conflicts and disputes are accomplished through proclamations of sacred law. Just as divine love is showcased through salvation, and divine splendor is more completely displayed in Creation, judgment is the divine operation that most reveals the righteousness of GOD. Arrogance, defiance, deliberate promotion of error, haughtiness, iniquity, obstinacy, lawlessness, pride, and stubbornness all are under the curse. The Scriptures also declare that GOD has said that he will walk contrary to those who walk contrary to him; and he will punish those who continue to walk contrary to him. In human experience, bad things may happen to good people; however, not so much by the process of GOD as by the “mechanics” of life in the flesh, and in the natural world. Also, what often seems to be a delay and postponement of justice, in fact, is a peculiar provision of mercy. See Isaiah 1: 16-28, Leviticus 26: 1-46, Ecclesiastes 8: 11-14 and 2nd Peter 3: 9-15, KJV.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done. For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments: And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God. (Psalms 78: 1-8, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: On Youth Doing Enough (02/06/2014); Driving Under the Influence (02/07/2014); Issues for Children’s Church? (04/06/2013); Outgrowing Childhood Prayers? (04/07/2013); Confessing Only to GOD? (04/08/2013); And This Was Good News (12/01/2012); A Need to Fear? (12/02/2012)
“WhiteSnyder”, by operations of the Holy Spirit imparted from GOD through the ministries of Jesus Christ, Christian believers now receive special doctrine and teachings from divinity described by such spiritual gifts as balance, faith, joy, hope (we say, expectation), insight, love, and wisdom. Here are a few points that may help build up your understanding as you continue your studies:
(1.) The Gospel is accounted as good news because spiritual needs and supplies are made available on a cosmic scale to maintain divine order, that are vital not only for the survival of a peculiar ethnic group, a middle eastern nation, or a relatively small region within the Roman Empire. Sin is not a living entity, and is no material or spirit matter that has measurable dimensions, or has been put forth by GOD. Yet, sin has direction, effect, and presence; and may dominate awareness and self-will in created beings and living creatures.
(2.) Sin opposes the continued existence of divine law, of the Law Giver, and of the entire Creation that is generated and maintained through sacred law. As something that is “no thing”, sin can neither be detected, eliminated, nor resisted using only finite intellect, logic, reason, and science.
(3.) Even a child can understand that one obtains a more complete and full benefit in their relationships that are based in love, positive purpose, respect, and truth. Saying this another way: children most feel secure when they are with those who acknowledge, supply, and help them to meet their own needs. As our advocate, and mediator, Jesus helps us develop a right relationship with Almighty GOD, where we are embraced as dear children, and not mere objects that exist upon the earth.
There is a lot more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, (4.) The suffering, death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ pertain to completing sacred operations that make divinity known and visible to created beings and living creatures. Included are atonement, covenant, forbearance, forgiveness, judgment, longsuffering, proclamation, promise, prophecy, repentance, resurrection, and sanctification. Through baptism (death of ones inborn spirit, rebirth from divine DNA, so to speak) and once mature, believers serve as the children of GOD, and “incarnations” of GOD (the appearance of divinity in human form) as did Jesus Christ.). Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. (Ephesians 5: 1-2, KJV)
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
Why are you Teaching Your Children To Be Like Jesus When HE WAS CRUCIFIED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE?
CHRISTIANS!!!
THE BATTLE AXE: GOD Permits Evil? (05/12/2014)—(5.) Many count it “normal” to demand the love of GOD without also having any intention of praising, serving and thanking GOD. In their multiple errors, they also demand justice, yet, themselves make no commitment to uphold law, maintain equity and fairness, or pursue openness and truth. Some believe that instead of affection, hugs and kisses, the most important gifts from GOD that show divine love have been freedom to encourage, indulge and introduce evil (i.e., arbitrary, destructive, and unnecessary change within divine order), and the freedom of choice whereby created beings and living creatures may deny the Almighty, and even withhold worship to GOD. Lacking faith, holiness, and other spirit matter from the makeup of GOD, there are countless men, women, and children, who have their own thoughts and feelings as the standard for what is real, and account only their own desires and opinions as being answers, guidance, and the genuine word of GOD that they have received. The Scriptures declare that GOD has said, Come let us reason together. However, this does not mean GOD welcomes argument, confusion, contradiction, dispute, and quarrel. Men may approach GOD exposing and expressing their thoughts in prayer, and acknowledging and responding to the word, and work of GOD that endures within their awareness. Allowances are made for the many differences and gulfs between divinity, and the diverse created beings and living creatures that exist within our universe. Divine judgment is the process wherein resolution and settlement of conflicts and disputes are accomplished through proclamations of sacred law. Just as divine love is showcased through salvation, and divine splendor is more completely displayed in Creation, judgment is the divine operation that most reveals the righteousness of GOD. Arrogance, defiance, deliberate promotion of error, haughtiness, iniquity, obstinacy, lawlessness, pride, and stubbornness all are under the curse. The Scriptures also declare that GOD has said that he will walk contrary to those who walk contrary to him; and he will punish those who continue to walk contrary to him. In human experience, bad things may happen to good people; however, not so much by the process of GOD as by the “mechanics” of life in the flesh, and in the natural world. Also, what often seems to be a delay and postponement of justice, in fact, is a peculiar provision of mercy. See Isaiah 1: 16-28, Leviticus 26: 1-46, Ecclesiastes 8: 11-14 and 2nd Peter 3: 9-15, KJV.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done. For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments: And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God. (Psalms 78: 1-8, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: On Youth Doing Enough (02/06/2014); Driving Under the Influence (02/07/2014); Issues for Children’s Church? (04/06/2013); Outgrowing Childhood Prayers? (04/07/2013); Confessing Only to GOD? (04/08/2013); And This Was Good News (12/01/2012); A Need to Fear? (12/02/2012)
“WhiteSnyder”, by operations of the Holy Spirit imparted from GOD through the ministries of Jesus Christ, Christian believers now receive special doctrine and teachings from divinity described by such spiritual gifts as balance, faith, joy, hope (we say, expectation), insight, love, and wisdom. Here are a few points that may help build up your understanding as you continue your studies:
(1.) The Gospel is accounted as good news because spiritual needs and supplies are made available on a cosmic scale to maintain divine order, that are vital not only for the survival of a peculiar ethnic group, a middle eastern nation, or a relatively small region within the Roman Empire. Sin is not a living entity, and is no material or spirit matter that has measurable dimensions, or has been put forth by GOD. Yet, sin has direction, effect, and presence; and may dominate awareness and self-will in created beings and living creatures.
(2.) Sin opposes the continued existence of divine law, of the Law Giver, and of the entire Creation that is generated and maintained through sacred law. As something that is “no thing”, sin can neither be detected, eliminated, nor resisted using only finite intellect, logic, reason, and science.
(3.) Even a child can understand that one obtains a more complete and full benefit in their relationships that are based in love, positive purpose, respect, and truth. Saying this another way: children most feel secure when they are with those who acknowledge, supply, and help them to meet their own needs. As our advocate, and mediator, Jesus helps us develop a right relationship with Almighty GOD, where we are embraced as dear children, and not mere objects that exist upon the earth.
There is a lot more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, (4.) The suffering, death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ pertain to completing sacred operations that make divinity known and visible to created beings and living creatures. Included are atonement, covenant, forbearance, forgiveness, judgment, longsuffering, proclamation, promise, prophecy, repentance, resurrection, and sanctification. Through baptism (death of ones inborn spirit, rebirth from divine DNA, so to speak) and once mature, believers serve as the children of GOD, and “incarnations” of GOD (the appearance of divinity in human form) as did Jesus Christ.). Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. (Ephesians 5: 1-2, KJV)
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
Wednesday, February 19, 2014
(02/19/2014) Snake Handling?
Miracles, prophetic demonstrations, signs, and snake handling are topics, today. Also, there is more on arguing against the Bible in church. A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “SupaStar” (Level 6 with 20,194 points, a member since April 03, 2013) posted the following:
Do you think ALL Churches should take up snake handling?
Wouldn't that solve much of the problems with many theists, that is, weeding out the most ignorant?
THE BATTLE AXE: Arguing Against the Bible in Church? (02/18/2014)—The process of the church centers on meeting the needs of created beings and living creatures, rather than needs within the GODhead. The detection of nominal Christians (i.e., those who are believers in name only), and those in service to the Adversary, is regularly accomplished by their repeated expressions of malice toward the body, and their readiness to attack the Scriptures. Believers in Christ are to willingly accept a duty to minister unselfishly to others, therefore, ones personal agenda is routinely put aside in order to benefit the body through sacrifice. What may not be spoken in the name of Jesus, and to the glory of the Father, is better left unsaid. Saying this another way: Anything we might say, and how we might say it, that would offend the Savior is not to be brought before the body. The church is not to be a battlefield, or place of combat and confrontation. Yet, declaring and reminding others of truth they have already been given may humble pride and sting, for the word also operates as correction, rebuke, and reproof. Every initiative, whether among the clergy or lay persons, should acknowledge and express divine intent and sacred purpose that agrees with things recorded, and things proclaimed and prophesied that are yet to be fulfilled. When properly carried out, challenges or objections to attitudes, behavior and doctrine within the church will be made only after invoking and acknowledging the divine presence. There is to be a shared acknowledgment of authority from GOD as well as correct application of the divinely provided procedures for judgment and resolution of conflict. See Matthew 20: 20-28, Galatians 2: 9-21 and Matthew 18: 15-20, King James Version.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. (Mark 16: 9-20, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Miracles are Sacred Events (12/20/2013); Resisting Sin (12/21/2013); A Relationship not Just Knowledge? (06/25/2013); Recognizing True Prophets (05/02/2013); Jesus, A Party Animal? (05/03/2013); Why “Mysterious” (11/11/2012); Attending Church? (11/12/2012); The Spirit is Willing (10/20/2012); Spirit Matter (10/21/2012); Caesarea Philippi (10/22/2012); On Cults (08/30/2012); A House of gods? (08/31/2012)
“SupaStar”, here are a few points intended for the children of GOD that should make perfect sense to a long-time investigator like yourself who has been shown many answers from the Holy Spirit:
(1.) Snake handling is not as great a problem to Christian believers as the continuous mishandling of the word of GOD. In addition to those who deliberately manipulate (we say, wrest) the Scriptures in order to have advantage over others, and contend against GOD, there are many who err by ignorance of the Scriptures, incorrect application of divine principles that are revealed, and satisfaction with the retarded development for their own inner Spirit.
(2.) Once born again through baptism (we may say, reproduced from divine DNA), believers must “grow up” again, and mature while facing the same challenges of life that come against all upon the earth. While constriction and snake venoms may destroy a person’s physical body, there is nothing that can kill or remove the imparted, indwelling Spirit from GOD. Even so, by receiving blasphemy, heresy, and warped ideas, believers are defiled and weakened as if poison had been added to their daily meals.
(3.) The justification for snake handling shared by many is anchored in the flesh, not the Holy Spirit. Where there is a fascination with death, a desire to “show off” and demonstrate power, there is little more than a tempting of GOD. The person of GOD demonstrated by Christ must be primary. The Holy Spirit is his agent, and does not promote himself, a different agenda, a different Gospel, or a new doctrine separate and distinct from that taught by Jesus.
There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. ( For example, (4.) Were you a church member showing respect to the covenants and discipline you share with others of your congregation, you would realize the ignorant are always weeded out by duty, love, regimen, sacred practices (we say, the sacraments), eternal purposes, and unchanging truth.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: (2nd Corinthians 4: 1-3, KJV)
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
Do you think ALL Churches should take up snake handling?
Wouldn't that solve much of the problems with many theists, that is, weeding out the most ignorant?
THE BATTLE AXE: Arguing Against the Bible in Church? (02/18/2014)—The process of the church centers on meeting the needs of created beings and living creatures, rather than needs within the GODhead. The detection of nominal Christians (i.e., those who are believers in name only), and those in service to the Adversary, is regularly accomplished by their repeated expressions of malice toward the body, and their readiness to attack the Scriptures. Believers in Christ are to willingly accept a duty to minister unselfishly to others, therefore, ones personal agenda is routinely put aside in order to benefit the body through sacrifice. What may not be spoken in the name of Jesus, and to the glory of the Father, is better left unsaid. Saying this another way: Anything we might say, and how we might say it, that would offend the Savior is not to be brought before the body. The church is not to be a battlefield, or place of combat and confrontation. Yet, declaring and reminding others of truth they have already been given may humble pride and sting, for the word also operates as correction, rebuke, and reproof. Every initiative, whether among the clergy or lay persons, should acknowledge and express divine intent and sacred purpose that agrees with things recorded, and things proclaimed and prophesied that are yet to be fulfilled. When properly carried out, challenges or objections to attitudes, behavior and doctrine within the church will be made only after invoking and acknowledging the divine presence. There is to be a shared acknowledgment of authority from GOD as well as correct application of the divinely provided procedures for judgment and resolution of conflict. See Matthew 20: 20-28, Galatians 2: 9-21 and Matthew 18: 15-20, King James Version.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. (Mark 16: 9-20, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Miracles are Sacred Events (12/20/2013); Resisting Sin (12/21/2013); A Relationship not Just Knowledge? (06/25/2013); Recognizing True Prophets (05/02/2013); Jesus, A Party Animal? (05/03/2013); Why “Mysterious” (11/11/2012); Attending Church? (11/12/2012); The Spirit is Willing (10/20/2012); Spirit Matter (10/21/2012); Caesarea Philippi (10/22/2012); On Cults (08/30/2012); A House of gods? (08/31/2012)
“SupaStar”, here are a few points intended for the children of GOD that should make perfect sense to a long-time investigator like yourself who has been shown many answers from the Holy Spirit:
(1.) Snake handling is not as great a problem to Christian believers as the continuous mishandling of the word of GOD. In addition to those who deliberately manipulate (we say, wrest) the Scriptures in order to have advantage over others, and contend against GOD, there are many who err by ignorance of the Scriptures, incorrect application of divine principles that are revealed, and satisfaction with the retarded development for their own inner Spirit.
(2.) Once born again through baptism (we may say, reproduced from divine DNA), believers must “grow up” again, and mature while facing the same challenges of life that come against all upon the earth. While constriction and snake venoms may destroy a person’s physical body, there is nothing that can kill or remove the imparted, indwelling Spirit from GOD. Even so, by receiving blasphemy, heresy, and warped ideas, believers are defiled and weakened as if poison had been added to their daily meals.
(3.) The justification for snake handling shared by many is anchored in the flesh, not the Holy Spirit. Where there is a fascination with death, a desire to “show off” and demonstrate power, there is little more than a tempting of GOD. The person of GOD demonstrated by Christ must be primary. The Holy Spirit is his agent, and does not promote himself, a different agenda, a different Gospel, or a new doctrine separate and distinct from that taught by Jesus.
There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. ( For example, (4.) Were you a church member showing respect to the covenants and discipline you share with others of your congregation, you would realize the ignorant are always weeded out by duty, love, regimen, sacred practices (we say, the sacraments), eternal purposes, and unchanging truth.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: (2nd Corinthians 4: 1-3, KJV)
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Tuesday, February 18, 2014
(02/18/2014) Arguing Against the Bible in Church?
Today, some points are shared on ones freedom to argue against the Bible when in church. Also, there is more on relationships where believers may get spiritual knowledge. A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “Cloudberry vs Boysenberry” (Level 1 with 244 points, a member since May 11, 2009) posted the following:
Christians, during church can you argue against something from the bible?
Let's say you read something in the bible and say to yourself "I don't think that is true, I want to argue that". Can you do that? Can you get with other Christians and say that somethings are just inaccurate in the bible?
If you do that, how will others look at you? Will you be looked at as weird or odd for even questioning the bible?
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What's wrong with the question? Scientists do this all the time. They argue points, disprove theories and still move on. That is not negative in any way shape or form.
My question is for Religion. How do they handle something like this?
"Deadeye" so you are saying you have to read the bible cover to cover before you convert? Most of us were children that didn't have much of a choice but and went along with mom and dad.
THE BATTLE AXE: The Right Place to Get Knowledge (02/17/2014)—(5.) In a certain sense, believers should only seek spiritual knowledge from within themselves. In the holy writings, Christian believers are commanded to avoid relationships and situations that compromise, and work against the divine content they receive as part of the church. Even family, and others in close association may operate as those who contend against the Gospel, and continually promote sin. The Internet, social media, television, and the public forum are not dedicated, disciplined, and set apart (we say, sanctified) to serve Christian believers, and using these tools require the same balance, discretion, and maturity as choosing ones friends, and deciding how to interact with ones spouse, schoolmates or co-workers. Believers all must arrive at the point where they stand entirely upon their own measure of faith from GOD. All develop discernment whereby they make choices and decisions for companionship and participation. Through the ministry of Jesus Christ, believers are built up in understanding, and guided by the imparted, indwelling Spirit (called the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth). A fresh endowment of spirit content from GOD is acquired through baptism that operates upon awareness and self-will within the believer. Christians must answer many things that are contrary to, and different from, their own spiritual beliefs, cravings, and understandings. Included are atheist beliefs, Buddhism, the Koran, Greek myths, Hindu, mathematics, occultism, philosophy, politics, popular culture, shamanism, and witchcraft. Believers may freely examine and study various belief systems, yet, they must be careful to maintain a disciplined grasp upon those things from GOD that provide genuine nourishment of the divine spirit they themselves contain. See Proverbs 13: 20, Proverbs 22: 4, Luke 14: 25-27, Romans 10: 5-10, 2nd Corinthians 1: 24, 2nd Corinthians 6: 14-18, 2nd Timothy 2: 3-4, 2nd Timothy 3: 1-5 and 1st John 2: 18-29, KJV.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable: A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. (Luke 8: 4-15, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Why Jesus Authored No Books (05/01/2013); Recognizing True Prophets (05/02/2013); Quoting Scripture to GOD? (04/24/2013); Illusion? (04/25/2013); How To Accept Bible Truth? (04/17/2013); About Preaching the Gospel (04/18/2013); No Contradictions? (01/15/2013); Accomplished in Christ? (01/16/2013); Believing Everything? (11/23/2012); How To Have Conviction (11/24/2012)
“Cloudberry vs Boysenberry”, here are a few points intended for the children of GOD that I can share from my experience:
(1.) In classroom situations and settings for instruction, many opportunities for discussion and exchange are provided. Believers freely raise questions, and offer responses that display not only their understandings of various doctrines, policies of the church, and Scripture verses, they also deliver and exchange insights, personal testimonies, and prophetic proclamations. There are many rules that may apply, and respect is to be maintained throughout.
(2.) Argument, debate, and private opinions are accounted as useless. The body and congregation are to welcome only statements that clarify the divine law, sacred duty, the operations of divine spirit, and eternal purpose. For this reason, many assemblies discourage the use of speaking in tongues and their translation, and interruptions during lessons, particularly sermon presentations.
(3.) While everyone attending a meeting or session may be a baptized adult, a member of the church in “good standing” who actively participates in the several ministries available, and has met all their obligation to support the church by giving, all believers are not equal, and have not achieved the same levels of responsibility, authority, knowledge, and maturity. Differences, diversity and imbalance are necessary as a dynamic for the church that provides energy, growth, and movement.
There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. ( For example, (4.) Within the church, the process and duty for believers is to first, prepare their Spirit for participation by submitting themselves to GOD in prayer; listen carefully to any presentations that are offered while they are in the gathering place (take nothing for granted, no matter how casual, or offhand it may seem); reflect; then go to GOD for confirmation of sacred truth through prayer, and further study of the holy writings. In the final stage, one may have to accept and acknowledge correction, and begin to display change as well as resolve to practice according to the new light they have received.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit. Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. (Proverbs 17: 27-28, KJV)
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
Christians, during church can you argue against something from the bible?
Let's say you read something in the bible and say to yourself "I don't think that is true, I want to argue that". Can you do that? Can you get with other Christians and say that somethings are just inaccurate in the bible?
If you do that, how will others look at you? Will you be looked at as weird or odd for even questioning the bible?
Additional Details
What's wrong with the question? Scientists do this all the time. They argue points, disprove theories and still move on. That is not negative in any way shape or form.
My question is for Religion. How do they handle something like this?
"Deadeye" so you are saying you have to read the bible cover to cover before you convert? Most of us were children that didn't have much of a choice but and went along with mom and dad.
THE BATTLE AXE: The Right Place to Get Knowledge (02/17/2014)—(5.) In a certain sense, believers should only seek spiritual knowledge from within themselves. In the holy writings, Christian believers are commanded to avoid relationships and situations that compromise, and work against the divine content they receive as part of the church. Even family, and others in close association may operate as those who contend against the Gospel, and continually promote sin. The Internet, social media, television, and the public forum are not dedicated, disciplined, and set apart (we say, sanctified) to serve Christian believers, and using these tools require the same balance, discretion, and maturity as choosing ones friends, and deciding how to interact with ones spouse, schoolmates or co-workers. Believers all must arrive at the point where they stand entirely upon their own measure of faith from GOD. All develop discernment whereby they make choices and decisions for companionship and participation. Through the ministry of Jesus Christ, believers are built up in understanding, and guided by the imparted, indwelling Spirit (called the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth). A fresh endowment of spirit content from GOD is acquired through baptism that operates upon awareness and self-will within the believer. Christians must answer many things that are contrary to, and different from, their own spiritual beliefs, cravings, and understandings. Included are atheist beliefs, Buddhism, the Koran, Greek myths, Hindu, mathematics, occultism, philosophy, politics, popular culture, shamanism, and witchcraft. Believers may freely examine and study various belief systems, yet, they must be careful to maintain a disciplined grasp upon those things from GOD that provide genuine nourishment of the divine spirit they themselves contain. See Proverbs 13: 20, Proverbs 22: 4, Luke 14: 25-27, Romans 10: 5-10, 2nd Corinthians 1: 24, 2nd Corinthians 6: 14-18, 2nd Timothy 2: 3-4, 2nd Timothy 3: 1-5 and 1st John 2: 18-29, KJV.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable: A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. (Luke 8: 4-15, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Why Jesus Authored No Books (05/01/2013); Recognizing True Prophets (05/02/2013); Quoting Scripture to GOD? (04/24/2013); Illusion? (04/25/2013); How To Accept Bible Truth? (04/17/2013); About Preaching the Gospel (04/18/2013); No Contradictions? (01/15/2013); Accomplished in Christ? (01/16/2013); Believing Everything? (11/23/2012); How To Have Conviction (11/24/2012)
“Cloudberry vs Boysenberry”, here are a few points intended for the children of GOD that I can share from my experience:
(1.) In classroom situations and settings for instruction, many opportunities for discussion and exchange are provided. Believers freely raise questions, and offer responses that display not only their understandings of various doctrines, policies of the church, and Scripture verses, they also deliver and exchange insights, personal testimonies, and prophetic proclamations. There are many rules that may apply, and respect is to be maintained throughout.
(2.) Argument, debate, and private opinions are accounted as useless. The body and congregation are to welcome only statements that clarify the divine law, sacred duty, the operations of divine spirit, and eternal purpose. For this reason, many assemblies discourage the use of speaking in tongues and their translation, and interruptions during lessons, particularly sermon presentations.
(3.) While everyone attending a meeting or session may be a baptized adult, a member of the church in “good standing” who actively participates in the several ministries available, and has met all their obligation to support the church by giving, all believers are not equal, and have not achieved the same levels of responsibility, authority, knowledge, and maturity. Differences, diversity and imbalance are necessary as a dynamic for the church that provides energy, growth, and movement.
There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. ( For example, (4.) Within the church, the process and duty for believers is to first, prepare their Spirit for participation by submitting themselves to GOD in prayer; listen carefully to any presentations that are offered while they are in the gathering place (take nothing for granted, no matter how casual, or offhand it may seem); reflect; then go to GOD for confirmation of sacred truth through prayer, and further study of the holy writings. In the final stage, one may have to accept and acknowledge correction, and begin to display change as well as resolve to practice according to the new light they have received.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit. Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. (Proverbs 17: 27-28, KJV)
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