Tuesday, February 18, 2014

(02/18/2014) Arguing Against the Bible in Church?

Today, some points are shared on ones freedom to argue against the Bible when in church.  Also, there is more on relationships where believers may get spiritual knowledge.  A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “Cloudberry vs Boysenberry” (Level 1 with 244 points, a member since May 11, 2009) posted the following:


Christians, during church can you argue against something from the bible?

Let's say you read something in the bible and say to yourself "I don't think that is true, I want to argue that". Can you do that? Can you get with other Christians and say that somethings are just inaccurate in the bible?

If you do that, how will others look at you? Will you be looked at as weird or odd for even questioning the bible?

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What's wrong with the question? Scientists do this all the time. They argue points, disprove theories and still move on. That is not negative in any way shape or form.

My question is for Religion. How do they handle something like this?

"Deadeye" so you are saying you have to read the bible cover to cover before you convert? Most of us were children that didn't have much of a choice but and went along with mom and dad.


THE BATTLE AXE:  The Right Place to Get Knowledge (02/17/2014)—(5.)  In a certain sense, believers should only seek spiritual knowledge from within themselves.  In the holy writings, Christian believers are commanded to avoid relationships and situations that compromise, and work against the divine content they receive as part of the church.  Even family, and others in close association may operate as those who  contend against the Gospel, and continually promote sin.  The Internet, social media, television, and the public forum are not dedicated, disciplined, and set apart (we say, sanctified) to serve Christian believers, and using these tools require the same balance, discretion, and maturity as choosing ones friends, and deciding how to interact with ones spouse, schoolmates or co-workers.  Believers all must arrive at the point where they stand entirely upon their own measure of faith from GOD.  All develop discernment whereby they make choices and decisions for companionship and participation.  Through the ministry of Jesus Christ, believers are built up in understanding, and guided by the imparted, indwelling Spirit (called the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Prophecy, the Spirit of Truth).  A fresh endowment of spirit content from GOD is acquired through baptism that operates upon awareness and self-will within the believer.  Christians must answer many things that are contrary to, and different from, their own spiritual beliefs, cravings, and understandings.  Included are atheist beliefs, Buddhism, the Koran, Greek myths, Hindu, mathematics, occultism, philosophy, politics, popular culture, shamanism, and witchcraft.  Believers may freely examine and study various belief systems, yet, they must be careful to maintain a disciplined grasp upon those things from GOD that provide genuine nourishment of the divine spirit they themselves contain.  See Proverbs 13:  20, Proverbs 22:  4, Luke 14:  25-27, Romans 10:  5-10, 2nd Corinthians 1:  24, 2nd Corinthians 6:  14-18, 2nd Timothy 2:  3-4, 2nd Timothy 3:  1-5 and 1st John 2:  18-29, KJV.


THE GOLDEN ARROW:  And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:  A sower went out to sow his seed:  and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.  And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.  And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.  And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold.  And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.  And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?  And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God:  but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.  Now the parable is this:  The seed is the word of God.  Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.  They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.  And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.  But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.  (Luke 8:  4-15, KJV)


THE DOUBLE DAGGER:  Why Jesus Authored No Books (05/01/2013); Recognizing True Prophets (05/02/2013); Quoting Scripture to GOD? (04/24/2013); Illusion? (04/25/2013); How To Accept Bible Truth? (04/17/2013); About Preaching the Gospel (04/18/2013); No Contradictions? (01/15/2013); Accomplished in Christ? (01/16/2013); Believing Everything? (11/23/2012); How To Have Conviction (11/24/2012)


“Cloudberry vs Boysenberry”, here are a few points intended for the children of GOD that I can share from my experience:

(1.)  In classroom situations and settings for instruction, many opportunities for discussion and exchange are provided.  Believers freely raise questions, and offer responses that display not only their understandings of various doctrines, policies of the church, and Scripture verses, they also deliver and exchange insights, personal testimonies, and prophetic proclamations.  There are many rules that may apply, and respect is to be maintained throughout.

(2.)  Argument, debate, and private opinions are accounted as useless.  The body and congregation are to welcome only statements that clarify the divine law, sacred duty, the operations of divine spirit, and eternal purpose.  For this reason, many assemblies discourage the use of speaking in tongues and their translation, and interruptions during lessons, particularly sermon presentations.

(3.)  While everyone attending a meeting or session may be a baptized adult, a member of the church in “good standing” who actively participates in the several ministries available, and has met all their obligation to support the church by giving, all believers are not equal, and have not achieved the same levels of responsibility, authority, knowledge, and maturity.  Differences, diversity and imbalance are necessary as a dynamic for the church that provides energy, growth, and movement.

There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. ( For example, (4.)  Within the church, the process and duty for believers is to first, prepare their Spirit for participation by submitting themselves to GOD in prayer; listen carefully to any presentations that are offered while they are in the gathering place (take nothing for granted, no matter how casual, or offhand it may seem); reflect; then go to GOD for confirmation of sacred truth through prayer, and further study of the holy writings.  In the final stage, one may have to accept and acknowledge correction, and begin to display change as well as resolve to practice according to the new light they have received.)  Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful.  Be it unto you according to your faith.


He that hath knowledge spareth his words:  and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.  Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise:  and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.  (Proverbs 17:  27-28, KJV)


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