Baptism, belief, prophecy and signs are topics, today. A “Yahoo! Answers” fighter using the ID “Mandel” (Level 1 with 85 points, a member since August 13, 2014) posted the following:
What is the bible saying?
Mark 16:16-20
16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."
According to the above,anyone who “believes” can do the following:
1.) Drive out demons
2.) Speak in tongues
3.) Pick up snakes with their hands
4.) Drink poison and will not get hurt
5.) Heal people
This makes no sense.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. (Mark 16: 16-20, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Snake Handling? (02/19/2014); Doing GOD’s Plan? (02/20/2014); Recognizing True Prophets (05/02/2013); Jesus, A Party Animal? (05/03/2013); Chosen To Serve As Prophets (01/01/2014); Lawful Revenge? (01/02/2014); Why A “Spokesperson”? (01/14/2013); No Contradictions? (01/15/2014); Commanding the Storm? (05/08/2013); Death Has Been Transformed (05/09/2013)
“Mandel”, here are a few points that help Christian believers avoid spiritual confusion and error:
(1.) Any one verse throughout the holy writings must be understood in the light of the passage (paragraph) where it appears as well as in terms of the full discussion the Scriptures present.
(2.) Many of the promises of GOD are intended only for those in intimate relationship as disciples, servants, and the adopted sons and daughters of GOD. The words of Jesus to those who would continue his living ministry from heaven upon the earth (we say, spread the Gospel) describe the divine process of signs and sacred events (we say, miracles) being used to show when a message or teaching is authentic as prophecy from GOD. The items you list are “possibilities” to indicate divine endorsement, and not specific elements that must always routinely appear. The same process appears with all the earlier prophets such as Moses, Isaiah, Elijah, Elisha, Jeremiah, and Malachi.
(3.) Salvation is a divine operation, and should not be regarded as an accomplishment of finite human behavior, intellect, and will. Belief as an active expression of faith is a product of interactions among inseparable divine substances from the makeup of GOD such as holiness, wisdom, and wrath against sin, and is not the same as belief that appears through self-will (we say, choice) or such mental activity as fantasy, imagination, logic, and reason.
There is far more to be said, correctly understood, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, (4.) To correctly embrace sacred knowledge requires a permanent change in ones spirit content. Various operations of divine cleansing, healing, repentance, purification and sanctification must be performed by the Holy Spirit. Thus, the washing, drowning, and burial made visible in baptism (death of ones inborn spirit, rebirth having spirit matter from GOD) is crucial.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
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Friday, September 19, 2014
Thursday, February 20, 2014
(02/20/2014) Doing GOD’s Plan?
Accountability, foreknowledge, free will, and Judas are topics, today, along with more on snake handling. The “Yahoo! Answers” writer using ID “heart” (Level 6 with 15,519 points, a member since November 24, 2007) posted the following:
Wasn't Judas just doing God's plan?
ok follow me please..Judas. He betrayed Jesus then killed himself. Jesus KNEW that was going to happen (him hanging himself, then Jesus being imprisoned and crucified) but that's what was supposed to happen right? I mean if you think about it, Judas sacrificed his life like Jesus did because someone had to betray Jesus in order for him to go on the cross to die for everyone's sins right??
THE BATTLE AXE: Snake Handling? (02/19/2014)—Prophetic demonstrations are a series of actions and nonverbal presentations used by a spokesperson from GOD to proclaim a divine message, and may use gestures, movements, objects arranged in patterns, and symbols in the place of words. Miracles and signs are sacred events performed by GOD, and through operations of the Holy Spirit, and are not continuing and regularly scheduled sacred practices of men. Also, Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of GOD. Thus, apart from the word, snake handling is no different than snake charming (a natural process of the material world), and at its best is only a “good work” that can not serve as the foundation of ones salvation. Miracles and signs do not edify (build up) as do sacred law and prophecy. Demonstrations of boldness and confidence that oppose the natural order may increase doubt, fear, and uncertainty without also imparting spirit content from Christ. Where there is no word from GOD, there should be no confirmation that follows. See Deuteronomy 13: 1-3, Psalms 78: 31-39, John 10: 36-38, Ezekiel 4: 1-17, Acts 28: 1-6, Matthew 16: 1-4 and John 3: 11-12, King James Version.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. (John 6: 63-71, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Resisting Sin (12/21/2013); When People Covet (12/22/2013); Freewill is Finite (06/30/2013); GOD Intervenes? (07/01/2013); GOD Knows Tomorrow? (04/12/2013); Did Jesus Know? (12/22/2012); The True Miracle (12/23/2012)
“heart”, here are a few points to consider that agree with Christian belief, and fit with the full system that makes up the Gospel:
(1.) Divine foreknowledge of human events pertain to the operations of GOD among created beings and living creatures, and to the fulfillment of eternal purpose. It works the same way all Americans now know a new President will be chosen on a specific Tuesday, in November of a forthcoming year, and may determine exactly when by looking at their calendars, yet, have no knowledge of actual details on whom the Nation’s choice will be (e.g., age, eye color, height, marital status, name, party affiliation) until that time.
(2.) Angels are not mortal, are not omniscient (all-knowing), and may only decide the future as do men, by establishing consequences and effects from their actions and choices. Only GOD who is a spirit is immortal, incorruptible and unchanging. Believers may speak of the foreknowledge of GOD as an aspect of divine will (specifically intent, law, purpose, the sanctions of the law), proclamation, and prophecy. In this sense, Adam knew death would come upon mankind before the pair laid eyes upon the fruit; and Jesus knew both mankind, and all the things he must do to fulfill his ministry.
There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, (3.) Foolish men and angels lacking necessary endowments from GOD, insist upon a “free will” that allows disruption of divine order, the annulling of GOD’s will, and the termination of their own existence as an aspect of the divine person revealed. The many non-negotiable conditions for mankind’s continued awareness and being as created include being cold in snow, and wet in rain. There is no free will; and the plans of any to set aside divine love, final judgment, and sacred truth only come by lack of imparted spirit content from GOD.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
Wasn't Judas just doing God's plan?
ok follow me please..Judas. He betrayed Jesus then killed himself. Jesus KNEW that was going to happen (him hanging himself, then Jesus being imprisoned and crucified) but that's what was supposed to happen right? I mean if you think about it, Judas sacrificed his life like Jesus did because someone had to betray Jesus in order for him to go on the cross to die for everyone's sins right??
THE BATTLE AXE: Snake Handling? (02/19/2014)—Prophetic demonstrations are a series of actions and nonverbal presentations used by a spokesperson from GOD to proclaim a divine message, and may use gestures, movements, objects arranged in patterns, and symbols in the place of words. Miracles and signs are sacred events performed by GOD, and through operations of the Holy Spirit, and are not continuing and regularly scheduled sacred practices of men. Also, Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of GOD. Thus, apart from the word, snake handling is no different than snake charming (a natural process of the material world), and at its best is only a “good work” that can not serve as the foundation of ones salvation. Miracles and signs do not edify (build up) as do sacred law and prophecy. Demonstrations of boldness and confidence that oppose the natural order may increase doubt, fear, and uncertainty without also imparting spirit content from Christ. Where there is no word from GOD, there should be no confirmation that follows. See Deuteronomy 13: 1-3, Psalms 78: 31-39, John 10: 36-38, Ezekiel 4: 1-17, Acts 28: 1-6, Matthew 16: 1-4 and John 3: 11-12, King James Version.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. (John 6: 63-71, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Resisting Sin (12/21/2013); When People Covet (12/22/2013); Freewill is Finite (06/30/2013); GOD Intervenes? (07/01/2013); GOD Knows Tomorrow? (04/12/2013); Did Jesus Know? (12/22/2012); The True Miracle (12/23/2012)
“heart”, here are a few points to consider that agree with Christian belief, and fit with the full system that makes up the Gospel:
(1.) Divine foreknowledge of human events pertain to the operations of GOD among created beings and living creatures, and to the fulfillment of eternal purpose. It works the same way all Americans now know a new President will be chosen on a specific Tuesday, in November of a forthcoming year, and may determine exactly when by looking at their calendars, yet, have no knowledge of actual details on whom the Nation’s choice will be (e.g., age, eye color, height, marital status, name, party affiliation) until that time.
(2.) Angels are not mortal, are not omniscient (all-knowing), and may only decide the future as do men, by establishing consequences and effects from their actions and choices. Only GOD who is a spirit is immortal, incorruptible and unchanging. Believers may speak of the foreknowledge of GOD as an aspect of divine will (specifically intent, law, purpose, the sanctions of the law), proclamation, and prophecy. In this sense, Adam knew death would come upon mankind before the pair laid eyes upon the fruit; and Jesus knew both mankind, and all the things he must do to fulfill his ministry.
There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. (For example, (3.) Foolish men and angels lacking necessary endowments from GOD, insist upon a “free will” that allows disruption of divine order, the annulling of GOD’s will, and the termination of their own existence as an aspect of the divine person revealed. The many non-negotiable conditions for mankind’s continued awareness and being as created include being cold in snow, and wet in rain. There is no free will; and the plans of any to set aside divine love, final judgment, and sacred truth only come by lack of imparted spirit content from GOD.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
Wednesday, February 19, 2014
(02/19/2014) Snake Handling?
Miracles, prophetic demonstrations, signs, and snake handling are topics, today. Also, there is more on arguing against the Bible in church. A “Yahoo! Answers” writer using the ID “SupaStar” (Level 6 with 20,194 points, a member since April 03, 2013) posted the following:
Do you think ALL Churches should take up snake handling?
Wouldn't that solve much of the problems with many theists, that is, weeding out the most ignorant?
THE BATTLE AXE: Arguing Against the Bible in Church? (02/18/2014)—The process of the church centers on meeting the needs of created beings and living creatures, rather than needs within the GODhead. The detection of nominal Christians (i.e., those who are believers in name only), and those in service to the Adversary, is regularly accomplished by their repeated expressions of malice toward the body, and their readiness to attack the Scriptures. Believers in Christ are to willingly accept a duty to minister unselfishly to others, therefore, ones personal agenda is routinely put aside in order to benefit the body through sacrifice. What may not be spoken in the name of Jesus, and to the glory of the Father, is better left unsaid. Saying this another way: Anything we might say, and how we might say it, that would offend the Savior is not to be brought before the body. The church is not to be a battlefield, or place of combat and confrontation. Yet, declaring and reminding others of truth they have already been given may humble pride and sting, for the word also operates as correction, rebuke, and reproof. Every initiative, whether among the clergy or lay persons, should acknowledge and express divine intent and sacred purpose that agrees with things recorded, and things proclaimed and prophesied that are yet to be fulfilled. When properly carried out, challenges or objections to attitudes, behavior and doctrine within the church will be made only after invoking and acknowledging the divine presence. There is to be a shared acknowledgment of authority from GOD as well as correct application of the divinely provided procedures for judgment and resolution of conflict. See Matthew 20: 20-28, Galatians 2: 9-21 and Matthew 18: 15-20, King James Version.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. (Mark 16: 9-20, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Miracles are Sacred Events (12/20/2013); Resisting Sin (12/21/2013); A Relationship not Just Knowledge? (06/25/2013); Recognizing True Prophets (05/02/2013); Jesus, A Party Animal? (05/03/2013); Why “Mysterious” (11/11/2012); Attending Church? (11/12/2012); The Spirit is Willing (10/20/2012); Spirit Matter (10/21/2012); Caesarea Philippi (10/22/2012); On Cults (08/30/2012); A House of gods? (08/31/2012)
“SupaStar”, here are a few points intended for the children of GOD that should make perfect sense to a long-time investigator like yourself who has been shown many answers from the Holy Spirit:
(1.) Snake handling is not as great a problem to Christian believers as the continuous mishandling of the word of GOD. In addition to those who deliberately manipulate (we say, wrest) the Scriptures in order to have advantage over others, and contend against GOD, there are many who err by ignorance of the Scriptures, incorrect application of divine principles that are revealed, and satisfaction with the retarded development for their own inner Spirit.
(2.) Once born again through baptism (we may say, reproduced from divine DNA), believers must “grow up” again, and mature while facing the same challenges of life that come against all upon the earth. While constriction and snake venoms may destroy a person’s physical body, there is nothing that can kill or remove the imparted, indwelling Spirit from GOD. Even so, by receiving blasphemy, heresy, and warped ideas, believers are defiled and weakened as if poison had been added to their daily meals.
(3.) The justification for snake handling shared by many is anchored in the flesh, not the Holy Spirit. Where there is a fascination with death, a desire to “show off” and demonstrate power, there is little more than a tempting of GOD. The person of GOD demonstrated by Christ must be primary. The Holy Spirit is his agent, and does not promote himself, a different agenda, a different Gospel, or a new doctrine separate and distinct from that taught by Jesus.
There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. ( For example, (4.) Were you a church member showing respect to the covenants and discipline you share with others of your congregation, you would realize the ignorant are always weeded out by duty, love, regimen, sacred practices (we say, the sacraments), eternal purposes, and unchanging truth.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: (2nd Corinthians 4: 1-3, KJV)
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
Do you think ALL Churches should take up snake handling?
Wouldn't that solve much of the problems with many theists, that is, weeding out the most ignorant?
THE BATTLE AXE: Arguing Against the Bible in Church? (02/18/2014)—The process of the church centers on meeting the needs of created beings and living creatures, rather than needs within the GODhead. The detection of nominal Christians (i.e., those who are believers in name only), and those in service to the Adversary, is regularly accomplished by their repeated expressions of malice toward the body, and their readiness to attack the Scriptures. Believers in Christ are to willingly accept a duty to minister unselfishly to others, therefore, ones personal agenda is routinely put aside in order to benefit the body through sacrifice. What may not be spoken in the name of Jesus, and to the glory of the Father, is better left unsaid. Saying this another way: Anything we might say, and how we might say it, that would offend the Savior is not to be brought before the body. The church is not to be a battlefield, or place of combat and confrontation. Yet, declaring and reminding others of truth they have already been given may humble pride and sting, for the word also operates as correction, rebuke, and reproof. Every initiative, whether among the clergy or lay persons, should acknowledge and express divine intent and sacred purpose that agrees with things recorded, and things proclaimed and prophesied that are yet to be fulfilled. When properly carried out, challenges or objections to attitudes, behavior and doctrine within the church will be made only after invoking and acknowledging the divine presence. There is to be a shared acknowledgment of authority from GOD as well as correct application of the divinely provided procedures for judgment and resolution of conflict. See Matthew 20: 20-28, Galatians 2: 9-21 and Matthew 18: 15-20, King James Version.
THE GOLDEN ARROW: Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. (Mark 16: 9-20, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: Miracles are Sacred Events (12/20/2013); Resisting Sin (12/21/2013); A Relationship not Just Knowledge? (06/25/2013); Recognizing True Prophets (05/02/2013); Jesus, A Party Animal? (05/03/2013); Why “Mysterious” (11/11/2012); Attending Church? (11/12/2012); The Spirit is Willing (10/20/2012); Spirit Matter (10/21/2012); Caesarea Philippi (10/22/2012); On Cults (08/30/2012); A House of gods? (08/31/2012)
“SupaStar”, here are a few points intended for the children of GOD that should make perfect sense to a long-time investigator like yourself who has been shown many answers from the Holy Spirit:
(1.) Snake handling is not as great a problem to Christian believers as the continuous mishandling of the word of GOD. In addition to those who deliberately manipulate (we say, wrest) the Scriptures in order to have advantage over others, and contend against GOD, there are many who err by ignorance of the Scriptures, incorrect application of divine principles that are revealed, and satisfaction with the retarded development for their own inner Spirit.
(2.) Once born again through baptism (we may say, reproduced from divine DNA), believers must “grow up” again, and mature while facing the same challenges of life that come against all upon the earth. While constriction and snake venoms may destroy a person’s physical body, there is nothing that can kill or remove the imparted, indwelling Spirit from GOD. Even so, by receiving blasphemy, heresy, and warped ideas, believers are defiled and weakened as if poison had been added to their daily meals.
(3.) The justification for snake handling shared by many is anchored in the flesh, not the Holy Spirit. Where there is a fascination with death, a desire to “show off” and demonstrate power, there is little more than a tempting of GOD. The person of GOD demonstrated by Christ must be primary. The Holy Spirit is his agent, and does not promote himself, a different agenda, a different Gospel, or a new doctrine separate and distinct from that taught by Jesus.
There is far more to be said, correctly applied, and spiritually apprehended. ( For example, (4.) Were you a church member showing respect to the covenants and discipline you share with others of your congregation, you would realize the ignorant are always weeded out by duty, love, regimen, sacred practices (we say, the sacraments), eternal purposes, and unchanging truth.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: (2nd Corinthians 4: 1-3, KJV)
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
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