Today, I continue an exchange that focuses on whether the Mother of Jesus is divine. Engaging one of the Internet fighters who regularly blogs at thoughts.com (Universal Consciousness Cycle), and who uses the ID “wirelessguru1”, the following comments have been posted:
wirelessguru1 commented on (08/21/2015) About Praying to Mary
Is she a Goddess!?
The_Black_Phoenix
No, she is not a goddess or aspect of the full Divine Person. Thus, those who acknowledge her as the mother of Jesus and the Mother of the Church are those moved by such elements as innocence, love, respect and understanding. Be encouraged!
wirelessguru1 commented on (08/21/2015) About Praying to Mary
So fanatic, are you saying that Mary is not fully Divine then!?
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 23, 2015
The_Black_Phoenix
Look into some of the other recommended blogs in the DOUBLE DAGGER section. Then, let’s talk.
wirelessguru1 commented on (08/21/2015) About Praying to Mary
I do not need to look at your BS, rubbish and nonsense!
Answer My question now!
Are you saying that Mary is not fully Divine then!?
The_Black_Phoenix
I am in the midst of writing an answer to you as tomorrow’s blog. Your own beliefs, convictions, and maturity have become suspect through your attitude. I will not call you, fool or BEYATCH, simply because you show no courtesy. I will warn you.
wirelessguru1 commented on (08/21/2015) About Praying to Mary
Well, I don’t like your lousy attitude so answer My question: Are you saying that Mary is not fully Divine then!?
August 24, 2015
The_Black_Phoenix
Because GOD, who is righteous, and has the inner strength to tolerate your wretchedness, here is a portion of what is coming. Be it unto you according to his faith:
Like the translation of Enoch, the Prophet Elijah being taken up in a chariot of fire, the resurrection, ascension and exaltation of Mary are prophetic in nature, demonstrating the blessed condition that will come upon all who have place as joint-heirs with Christ. Simply being raised from the dead, or receiving atonement, cleansing, immortality and incorruptibility does not establish the myriad other unseen points of being that identify deity (e.g., accountability for cosmic order; origin as sui generis; role as law giver; duty as sovereign majesty).
THE GOLDEN ARROW: And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (Revelation 12: 1-10, KJV)
THE DOUBLE DAGGER: About Praying to Mary (08/21/2015); The “Talking Cross”? (02/13/2014); Able to Become Gods? (01/11/2014); Why Christians Pray for Others (01/12/2014); A Kindness to Mary? (04/21/2013); When GOD Controls? (04/22/2013); Quoting Scripture to GOD? (04/24/2013); The Divine Use of a Human Life? (04/23/2013)
“wirelessguru1”, while I am a person who became committed to Christ while a child; has had many years of formal education; has endured emotional, financial, psychological and other suffering (such as is common to man); has authored books on the sacred meaning of marriage, human sexuality, and the crown of life; and have a testimony that I have seen Jesus Christ, I do not claim to be an overseer to, or have the support of any Christian hierarchy, or institution. Nor do I declare that I have all the right answers to all the right questions, like many around me. I count myself as merely someone who is able to answer many issues and points of question only because of humility, prayer, disciplined study, and the gifts of sacred knowledge that have been shared with me. For Christian believers, consciousness of divinity is configured and imparted through sacred operations that include permanent alterations and change; admonition and correction; gradual unfolding as discovery, growth, learning and maturation; incarnation; praise; prayer; prophecy; rebirth and sanctification.
Nothing in my broad experience of the revelation of GOD through Jesus Christ indicates that his mother, Mary, should be thought of as an aspect of the full GODhead, or that Mary should be regarded as a goddess. Even so, because of her continuing ministry, Mary is worthy of the honor she is receiving. Like the translation of Enoch and the Prophet Elijah being taken up in a chariot of fire, the resurrection, ascension and exaltation of Mary are prophetic in nature, demonstrating the blessed condition that will come upon all who have place as joint-heirs with Christ. Simply being raised from the dead, or receiving atonement, cleansing, immortality and incorruptibility does not establish the myriad other unseen points of being that identify deity (e.g., accountability for cosmic order; origin as sui generis; role as law giver; duty as sovereign majesty).
Mary is often called the Mother of the Church; and may be seen as an elder, a Matriarch like the Patriarchs that followed Adam, a pioneer, a prophetess, and a widow. It does not discount sacred truth, nor is it a source of spiritual confusion to those who are correctly grounded in the Gospel, that some testify to appearances and visitations by Mary. For many, error does come by Mary being called “the Queen of Heaven,” for she is then taken as the figure of idol worship opposed through the Prophet Jeremiah. Similarly, many question whether Mary or the Church is the one described in Revelation clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, and crowned with 12 stars. Here are a few of the Scriptures from the holy writings containing the precepts, principles and tenets for faith that I have found helpful when considering the place of Mary above and among Christian believers:
(1.) Titus 1: 15, King James Version (KJV): 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
(2.) 1st Timothy 2: 5-6, KJV: 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
(3.) 1st Timothy 5: 1-5, KJV: 1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; 2 The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity. 3 Honour widows that are widows indeed. 4 But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God. 5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
(4.) 1st Timothy 5: 17-19, KJV: 17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 18 For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. 19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
(5.) 1st Peter 5: 1-4, KJV: 1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being examples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
(6.) Jeremiah 44: 16-18, KJV: 16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. 17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. 18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
There is far more that could be said, and that must be correctly understood and spiritually taken into account. (For example (7.) 1st John 2: 22-24, KJV: 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.) Even so, I trust this fragment will be useful. Be it unto you according to your faith.
THE BLACK PHOENIX
Washington, DC
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